For Clinicians
Mind Dive, A Podcast for Mental Health Professionals
Welcome to Mind Dive, Menninger's podcast for mental health professionals, with Robert Boland, MD, senior vice president and chief of staff, and Kerry Horrell, PhD. 
Podcast Focus
Each month, they dive into topics that fascinate them as clinical professionals and hopefully fascinate you, too. They examine dilemmas faced by professionals here at Menninger and colleagues across the nation while working with some of the most challenging cases. They explore the latest research and other trending topics on the minds of psychiatrists, psychologists and others who are interested in the treatment and study of the mind. Drs. Boland and Horrell make it a goal to cover information that gets little attention in formal training programs.
Most Recent Episodes
Episode 79: Championing Depth Therapy vs. Quick Fixes
We unpack research from large national samples showing that most people want therapy to be a safe, nonjudgmental relationship that helps them change repeating patterns and get to the root of what drives their distress. Listeners will hear why the public intuitively understands that meaningful change takes time, and how depth therapy and relational therapy align with those goals even when insurance reimbursement, manualized training, and symptom-first protocols push the field in a different direction.
Then we zoom out to the forces shaping mental health policy and access: managed care incentives, platform therapy advertising, privacy and confidentiality concerns, and the rapid rise of big tech, venture capital, and private equity in behavioral health. Dr. Michaels also shares how the Psychotherapy Action Network has engaged federal agencies on AI chatbots, why a “therapy as a product” mindset can fail clients, and what happened when one therapy platform sued the organization after public criticism. We close with practical solutions and why mentorship and strong training standards matter if we want psychotherapy that leads to sustainable change.
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Transcript
Meet the Hosts
Dr. Boland is an educator at heart with decades of experience teaching and mentoring psychiatry residents. In addition to his roles at Menninger, he is the executive vice chair of the Menninger Department of Psychiatry & Behavioral Sciences at Baylor College of Medicine.
A psychologist specializing in young adults, Dr. Horrell also loves teaching. She completed a predoctoral internship and postgraduate fellowship at Menninger and Baylor College of Medicine.
Both are well read, love canines (and have to resist rescuing too many) and are curious about many subjects.
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We hope you’ll join us on our podcast journey. And if you have a topic in mind that you would like us to dive into, drop us a note.
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