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Mind Dive, A Podcast for Mental Health Professionals

minddive-logo-copyWelcome to Mind Dive, Menninger's podcast for mental health professionals, with Robert Boland, MD, senior vice president and chief of staff, and Kerry Horrell, PhD.


Podcast Focus

Twice a month, they dive into topics that fascinate them as clinical professionals and hopefully fascinate you, too. They examine dilemmas faced by professionals here at Menninger and colleagues across the nation while working with some of the most challenging cases. They explore the latest research and other trending topics on the minds of psychiatrists, psychologists and others who are interested in the treatment and study of the mind. 


Drs. Boland and Horrell also make it a goal to cover information that gets little attention in formal training programs.


Most Recent Episodes


Episode 6: Building Trust in Psychotherapeutic Relationships with Jon G. Allen, PhD

The analysis of the patient is an expected part of therapy, but clinicians may forget this dynamic creates an equal analysis of the doctor by the patient. Rather than a process of therapy, the two-way street of trust is an ideal outcome of a relationship between patient and clinician that must be nourished. Some argue that this is, by far, the most important fundamental element in a successful therapeutic approach.  

On this episode of Mind Dive podcast, Jon G. Allen, PhD, brings attention to the functions of trust in a therapeutic relationship, noting something often neglected in psychotherapy literature. Dr. Allen, author of Trusting in Psychotherapy, previously served 40 years as a senior staff psychologist at The Menninger Clinic and is currently holds a clinical professor at the Menninger Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Baylor College of Medicine.  

Dive into this episode alongside hosts Drs. Horrell and Boland as they explore how clinicians can better nurture a therapeutic relationship built on trust to support the overall quality of mental health care for their patients. 

“Think about the quality of the relationship as the fundamental, impactful aspect of psychotherapy,” said Dr. Allen. “Trust is not a common factor that’s been studied, but I think of trust as the superordinate common factor.”


Meet the Hosts

Dr. Boland is an educator at heart with decades of experience teaching and mentoring psychiatry residents. In addition to his roles at Menninger, he is the executive vice chair of the Menninger Department of Psychiatry & Behavioral Sciences at Baylor College of Medicine.


A psychologist on our Compass Program for Young Adults, Dr. Horrell also loves teaching. She completed a predoctoral internship and postgraduate fellowship at Menninger and Baylor College of Medicine. 


Both are well read, love canines (and have to resist rescuing too many) and are curious about many subjects. 


Upcoming Guests

We're excited about our conversations with these upcoming guests:

  • James Lomax, MD, Baylor College of Medicine, will discuss discuss the dynamic of working with belief-oriented patients and working through spiritual struggle, identity crisis and more.
  • Temple Grandin, PhD, Colorado State University, will discuss how clinicians and other adults can nurture growth in children and young adults on the autism spectrum.
  • Philip Muskin, MD, Columbia University Medical Center, will talk with us about projective identification in psychoanalysis.

Join Us

We hope you’ll join us on our podcast journey. And if you have a topic in mind that you would like us to dive into, drop us a note


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