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Mind Dive, A Podcast for Mental Health Professionals

minddive-logo-copyWelcome to Mind Dive, Menninger's podcast for mental health professionals, with Robert Boland, MD, senior vice president and chief of staff, and Kerry Horrell, PhD.


Podcast Focus

Twice a month, they dive into topics that fascinate them as clinical professionals and hopefully fascinate you, too. They examine dilemmas faced by professionals here at Menninger and colleagues across the nation while working with some of the most challenging cases. They explore the latest research and other trending topics on the minds of psychiatrists, psychologists and others who are interested in the treatment and study of the mind. 


Drs. Boland and Horrell also make it a goal to cover information that gets little attention in formal training programs.


Most Recent Episodes


Episode 23: Brainwashing and Coercive Persuasion with Joel Dimsdale, MD

How can good people make terrible decisions? To fully understand brainwashing, more formally known as “coercive persuasion,” mental health clinicians must dive into the potentially dangerous outcomes that can result from a mix of factors such as high stress situations, sleep deprivation and isolation.
On this episode of The Menninger Clinic’s Mind Dive podcast, Dr. Joel Dimsdale 
discusses the history of brainwashing, the ease of slipping into Stockholm Syndrome and modern tools of persuasion — like social media — and the effects that clinicians need to be mindful of in patient care.
Bringing a unique perspective to the conversation, Joel Dimsdale, MD, began his exploration of brainwashing and its pervasive role in the 20th century after living next door to the Heaven’s Gate religious group, led by Marshall Applewhite, until the group’s highly publicized mass suicide in 1997. He is also the author of “Dark Persuasion: A History of Brainwashing from Pavlov to Social Media.”
Dr. Dimsdale is a distinguished professor emeritus and research professor in the department of Psychiatry at UC San Diego. He is also an active investigator and past president of the Academy of Behavioral Medicine Research, the American Psychosomatic Society and the Society of Behavioral Medicine.
“Much of my work reflects that I feel coercive persuasion — brainwashing — is not an old wives tale,” said Dr. Dimsdale. “It still exists in the modern day, and we have to be on the lookout for it.”
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Meet the Hosts

Dr. Boland is an educator at heart with decades of experience teaching and mentoring psychiatry residents. In addition to his roles at Menninger, he is the executive vice chair of the Menninger Department of Psychiatry & Behavioral Sciences at Baylor College of Medicine.


A psychologist on our Compass Program for Young Adults, Dr. Horrell also loves teaching. She completed a predoctoral internship and postgraduate fellowship at Menninger and Baylor College of Medicine. 


Both are well read, love canines (and have to resist rescuing too many) and are curious about many subjects. 


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We hope you’ll join us on our podcast journey. And if you have a topic in mind that you would like us to dive into, drop us a note


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