For Clinicians
Mind Dive, A Podcast for Mental Health Professionals
Welcome to Mind Dive, Menninger's podcast for mental health professionals, with Robert Boland, MD, senior vice president and chief of staff, and Kerry Horrell, PhD. 
Podcast Focus
Each month, they dive into topics that fascinate them as clinical professionals and hopefully fascinate you, too. They examine dilemmas faced by professionals here at Menninger and colleagues across the nation while working with some of the most challenging cases. They explore the latest research and other trending topics on the minds of psychiatrists, psychologists and others who are interested in the treatment and study of the mind. Drs. Boland and Horrell make it a goal to cover information that gets little attention in formal training programs.
Most Recent Episodes
Episode 77: The Scientist Who Explored Nazi Minds
Douglas Kelley arrives after World War II as a U.S. Army psychiatrist tasked with a narrow forensic job: determine whether the top Nazi defendants are mentally fit to stand trial. But he can’t stop there. Using interviews and tools like the Rorschach, he quietly chases a bigger question in forensic psychiatry and psychology: is there a shared mental illness that explains crimes on this scale? His conclusion flips the comforting story many of us want to tell, and forces a harder look at motivation, opportunism, loyalty, and the ways propaganda and authoritarian movements press upon normal human weaknesses.
We also discuss Kelley’s volatile rapport with Hermann Göring, a master manipulator who draws Kelley into long conversations and even convinces him to pass letters to his family. From there, the conversation widens into the present: mental health stigma, why “evil” can be a trap word, and Kelley’s post-Nuremberg warnings about civic vulnerability, critical thinking education, and voting access. We end with the troubling echo between Göring’s cyanide suicide and Kelley’s own death, and what that says about control, identity, and despair.
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Transcript
Meet the Hosts
Dr. Boland is an educator at heart with decades of experience teaching and mentoring psychiatry residents. In addition to his roles at Menninger, he is the executive vice chair of the Menninger Department of Psychiatry & Behavioral Sciences at Baylor College of Medicine.
A psychologist specializing in Young Adults, Dr. Horrell also loves teaching. She completed a predoctoral internship and postgraduate fellowship at Menninger and Baylor College of Medicine.
Both are well read, love canines (and have to resist rescuing too many) and are curious about many subjects.
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