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Mind Dive, A Podcast for Mental Health Professionals

minddive-logo-copyWelcome to Mind Dive, Menninger's podcast for mental health professionals, with Robert Boland, MD, senior vice president and chief of staff, and Kerry Horrell, PhD.


Podcast Focus

Twice a month, they dive into topics that fascinate them as clinical professionals and hopefully fascinate you, too. They examine dilemmas faced by professionals here at Menninger and colleagues across the nation while working with some of the most challenging cases. They explore the latest research and other trending topics on the minds of psychiatrists, psychologists and others who are interested in the treatment and study of the mind. 


Drs. Boland and Horrell also make it a goal to cover information that gets little attention in formal training programs.


Most Recent Episodes


Episode 9: Understanding Projective Identification with Philip Muskin, MD, MA 

Defense mechanisms: we all have them. One of the trickier defense mechanisms for most clinicians to understand is projective identification, in which an individual projects qualities deemed unacceptable to the self onto another individual, who internalizes the feeling while believing it to be their own.


What steps should a clinician take when projective identification infiltrates relationships with patients or fellow clinicians? Philip Muskin, MD, MA, of the Columbia University Department of Psychiatry offers advice to mental health professionals on how to manage these dilemmas through always valuing a second opinion.


On this episode of Mind Dive podcast, Robert Boland, MD, and Kerry Horrell, PhD, speak with Dr. Muskin on the seemingly elusive definition of projective identification and its relationship to the work of therapists. Dive into this exploration of how the issue presents itself in personal, professional and clinician-patient relationships, in which feelings of hopelessness or anxiety can occur even when they are not our own.


“The important thing to remember about projective identification is that it is a normal human phenomenon,” said Dr. Muskin. “Don’t interpret feelings to anyone until you’re able to understand what you’re feeling and normalize it for yourself.”


Meet the Hosts

Dr. Boland is an educator at heart with decades of experience teaching and mentoring psychiatry residents. In addition to his roles at Menninger, he is the executive vice chair of the Menninger Department of Psychiatry & Behavioral Sciences at Baylor College of Medicine.


A psychologist on our Compass Program for Young Adults, Dr. Horrell also loves teaching. She completed a predoctoral internship and postgraduate fellowship at Menninger and Baylor College of Medicine. 


Both are well read, love canines (and have to resist rescuing too many) and are curious about many subjects. 


Join Us

We hope you’ll join us on our podcast journey. And if you have a topic in mind that you would like us to dive into, drop us a note


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